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Weekly Chatter: Best App. for WebGallery?
Friday August 1, 2003

Section 1: Best App for WebGallery?

AuthorSubject: Best App for WebGallery?
Mark Tucker
Posted on Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:35 PM

I like the ease of use of Photoshop's WebGallery feature, but the Thumbnails always look so funky to me; very JPeggy (is that a word?), very artifact-y, and out of focus.

I see no entry box in the Thumbnail section to assign a JPG compression rating. I can only assume it uses "1", because they look so bad.

I've tried IView, but the design of the galleries is sorta cheesey. I just use "Simple" style in Photoshop most of the time.

Is there any way to up the quality of the thumbs? That's the first page you always see, and it's always such a disappointment. When you click on the linked larger JPG it gets better, but it's the thumbs that are so bad.

Thanks, Mark Tucker
http://www.marktucker.com

Katrin Eismann
Posted on Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:45 PM

Mark,

Depending on how critical the viewer is I often let PS build the initial web
gallery and then open it in Dreamweaver and substitute my own optimized
files and html...not the desired answer...but how I do it.

Just switching out images is rather straight forward as long as you keep the
files named exactly the same. Just put the better files into the same folder
that PS created.

Best regards,
Katrin



> From: IR - Mark Tucker <revuemail@imagingrevue.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:40:02 -0500
> To: Katrin Eismann <katrin@photoshopdiva.com>
> Subject: Best App for WebGallery?
>
> I like the ease of use of Photoshop's WebGallery feature, but the Thumbnails
> always look so funky to me; very JPeggy (is that a word?), very artifact-y,
> and out of focus.
>
> I see no entry box in the Thumbnail section to assign a JPG compression
> rating. I can only assume it uses "1", because they look so bad.
>
> I've tried IView, but the design of the galleries is sort cheesey. I just use
> "Simple" style in Photoshop most of the time.
>
> Is there any way to up the quality of the thumbs? That's the first page you
> always see, and it's always such a disappointment. When you click on the
> linked larger JPG it gets better, but it's the thumbs that are so bad.
>
> Thanks, Mark Tucker
> http://www.marktucker.com
> --------------------------------------------------

Kevin Connery
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 4:45 AM

Portfolio does a so-so job if you're willing to customize it.

Photoshop does an OK job if you're willing to customize it.

iView does a good job if you're willing to customize it, and it offers a lot more options than Portfolio or Photoshop's Web gallery.

GraphicConverter does an OK job, but it's not very flexible (or wasn't a few versions ago, when last I used it).

QuickNailer did a good job once I customized it, but it hasn't been updated in a few years and one annoyingly recurrent crashing bug drove me nuts, so I switched.

There's probably a few hundred other packages, each with painful limitations, awkward customization requirements, or whatever.

I'm using iView now, using some framed galleries and some unframed ones, mostly tweaked versions of .the distributed templates, but a couple built-from-scratch to match my older, QuickNailer formatted ones. On some CDs I distributed, I used a template that previews (thumbnails) the next and previous images on the page showing a full-sized image. Not useful for the web, but sometimes handy, if a little flashy.

H. Mark Weidman
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:08 AM

Though I am very Photoshop literate, this (web gallery) is one tool I have not used. I just experimented and it is very straightforward. My question will show how little I know about the way in which the www really works. How does one actually post the web gallery for review by clients? On my web site I have password protected "Lightboxes" but it is a very laborious process to upload images to those Lightboxes. Thanks for the help!

Mark Weidman

H. Mark Weidman Photography
email: mailto:mark@weidmanphoto.com
web: http://www.WeidmanPhoto.com

Seth Resnick
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:40 AM

Mark,

When you form the web gallery you designate a destination folder. Essentially an entire site is built within that folder. You simply upload the entire folder to your site and give that address to the client.

If you open the folder you will see a page called index.htm or index. html. IF I were to hypothetically create something for you to review on my site I would designate a folder called something like MARK. I would give you the following address.

http://www.sethresnick.com/MARK/index.htm


Best,

Seth

Mark Tucker
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:51 AM

Honestly, I can't imagine an app much easier to use than Photoshop, in terms of building web galleries. I just have two suggestions to make it better: Wouldn't it be nice if future versions of Photoshops offered a way to assign a JPG compression rating to both the ThumbNail and the large Images. It would also be nice if a future version of Photoshop offered a choice of those little arrow GIFs; the little icons that a user clicks to move on to the next page.

Anyone can comment the possibility of those two things being corrected by pulling on their LEFT earlobe, twice in succession.

Personally, I use this feature A LOT, now that I've switched to the Canon 1Ds. I put up many "private" pages on my site, for clients to review shoots. I don't put up entire shoots, but sometimes a couple of hundred at a time, for them to review the semifinals.

Thanks everyone for your responses. I will revisit Iview and see if I can customize it. I have tweaked their canned web styles, with some success, but the ease of working entirely within Photoshop is hard to beat.

MT, http://marktucker.com

Regis Lefebure
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:53 AM

Mark-

If you are on a Mac, you can use Fetch to upload your gallery folder. To take Seth's suggestion a bit further, you'd click and drag the folder called MARK to the window within the Fetch window and drop it. It's very simple - must be, as I have mastered it!

I don't know what pc users need to upload files. I am sure someone can explain.

Katrin Eismann
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:25 AM

On a Mac I use 'Transmit' as an FTP and 'web uploader' ap. It is a seriously
brain-dead application, which is usually me in the middle of the night after
having updated my website and needing to get it posted without having to
think very much!

Transmit has to sides to its interface "My Stuff" (that would be my local
Powerbook hard drive) and "Their Stuff" (that would be my website host
folder). You just drag files between these two windows and watch a progress
bar.

Easy and straight forward without any bells and whistles I can mess up. I
use it to maintain both of my websites and do file transfer with customers
and publishers.

Katrin

> From: IR - Regis Lefebure <revuemail@imagingrevue.com>
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 07:55:05 -0500
> To: Katrin Eismann <katrin@photoshopdiva.com>
> Subject: Best App for WebGallery?
>
> Mark-
>
> If you are on a Mac, use Fetch to upload your galleries and/or files. It's
> very simple, must be, as I have mastered it!
>
> I don't know what pcs users need to upload files. I am sure someone can
> explain.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------

Katrin Eismann
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:25 AM

To add to Seth's comment. I have a folder on my website called "client"
inside that folder each client has a folder and I place their PS made web
galleries into that and send them the URL.

Www.photoshopdive.com/client/our_name_here01/index.html

The 01 would be the first job for that client.

That way I can add and delete client folders very quickly without having to
dig around too much.

Best regards,
Katrin

Mark Tucker
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 8:49 AM

I use Transmit as well, and it's great. Completely drag n drop. Completely intuitive.
http://www.panic.com/transmit/

Don't forget you need a Hosting service too. I use:
http://www.verio.com (Bronze Plan)

And don't try this at home with dialup. You need broadband.

Katrin,

Was that a Freudian slip on your prior post?

www.photoshopDIVE.com ?? (instead of DIVA).

In my mind, I picture a double-wide trailer, down at the end of a long single-lane dirt road. Right on the banks of the Mississippi. A neon-lit beer sign illuminates the front stoop. The juke box inside only plays Brian Eno, Gary Neuman, DEVO, and Philip Glass.

At the end of each day, all the bleary-eyed, pale-skinned Photoshop professionals make their way out of their caves, onto their Schwinn StingRays, and make the ride down the long dirt road, to get a few cold ones with their fellow cohorts.

Inside the joint, instead of the normal somberly-lit interiors of most bars, there are Home Depot Grow-Lights clamped to the bar, in front of each barstool station. When the cops fly over in their helicopters, the light intensity spewing forth from the interior of the place makes the FBI always think it's another one of those Meth Labs and Pot Farms. Someone once took a reading inside the place, down at the end by the restroom, and it was 1/8000th of a second at f22 1/2. Anything to come down and refresh yourself from yet another day behind a Sony Artisan Monitor.

They start to trickle in about 5:45pm each afternoon. "Hey, Bob; Afternoon, George. How'd you do today? Did you get out without any client changes?"

Photoshop Dorks -- Yeah, we're different.

H. Mark Weidman
Posted on Sat Jul 12, 2003 3:58 PM

Thanks again to all who responded to my question about posting a web gallery. I currently use Fetch (Mac-based) so based on Seth, Regis, Mark T. & Katrin's pointers it shouldn't be too difficult.

Mark

H. Mark Weidman Photography
mailto:mark@weidmanphoto.com
web: http://www.WeidmanPhoto.com

Roger Mastroianni
Posted on Sun Jul 13, 2003 12:46 PM

I've tried many of the above apps and have found a program called Webpics to be the best.

http://www.splons.com/m3/webpics/

It uses CSS to build fast websites with variety of user controls including placing your copyright on each image. I did use Iview, but find Webpics easy to control. After the site is built I upload using the transmit and send the link to the client to preview their images.

H. Mark Weidman
Posted on Sun Jul 13, 2003 2:37 PM

Just a short follow-up. Seth's instructions worked perfectly, I was able to upload a test PS web site/pages within my existing site using PS Web Gallery and Fetch. What a great new tool! Thanks again.

Mark

H. Mark Weidman Photography
mailto:mark@weidmanphoto.com
web: http://www.WeidmanPhoto.com

Nick Tresidder
Posted on Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:27 PM

Hello All
one further thought for those of you on OS X is iPhoto. Yes it's basic, but produces thumbnails with links to bigger versions and the associated html very quickly. Just Import a folder of images then export as a web page.
regards
Nick Tresidder

Mark Tucker
Posted on Mon Jul 14, 2003 8:46 AM

Everyone,

I downloaded the trial of WebPics, (thanks, Roger), and it's actually not bad at all. Addressing my concern in the initial post, it has a nice feature where you can check a checkbox called "Use Originals", and it won't re-rez your images. Although I'm not how sure it deals with and creates the Thumbnails.

http://www.splons.com/m3/webpics/

It's only $16 for the license, and the Templates are Save-As-able. It's pretty powerful and customizable too. Don't get fooled by the website or the overall design; try the trial and look under the hood. I may convert to it.

Alan Ackoff
Posted on Tue Jul 15, 2003 10:26 AM

Another viable option is a software called "eOrderingGold" from LAJ Design-

http://www.lajdesignsw.com/software.html

It can easily be customized and if you know a little html, you can do quite a bit more with BBBEdit. I use it for quick and dirty web proofs after running the image folder through a PS7 droplet.

The built in shopping cart feature is a nice solution for someone with a small business who takes print orders from clients. I use it in conjunction with a PayPal account, and the software has paid for itself many times over. And the set-up is a no brainer.

Simple enough to use without the shopping cart to create proof displays, but it sure is nice to have those print orders coming in pre-paid. This is an example from a family reunion job (my first time out with a Canon 10D)-

http://alanackoff.com/steve

Not the ultimate in bleeding edge design, but it's bringing in steady money for this old guitar picker.

Q. Did you hear about the guitar player who won the million dollar lottery?
A. He receives a dollar a year for a million years.

-Al

Alan Ackoff Photography
http://www.alanackoff.com

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